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if we don't deal with the deficit right away. the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding back into recession. we set ourselves up with the land mine and the road in front of our economy which is not based on anything real, it's just based on our politicalness. >> ifill: speaking of political mess, both sides have what they say are opening gambits on the table. president obama at least his last week which calls for $1.6 trillion in revenues. the republicans came back with their own yesterday. as you looked at each approach, what do you see in that? >> well, i think it's important. i think the reporting has been a little weak on the republican plan. it
proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also distanced himself from the boehner plan declining to endorse it yesterday. >> we've wasted enormous amount of time here sparring back and forth in public, and it strikes me it's a good time to get serious about the proposals. so i have no other particular observation than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> but why is the the gop still hot on its desire to raise money through cuts and deductions rather than an actual increase in the top end tax rate? well, i think it's likely because the most ductions in states happen to be the higher blue states. in other words, the gop wants the states that largely reelecte
there'd been no progress on a fiscal cliff deal. but stocks rose later, on news that the economy grew at an annual rate of 2.7% in the third quarter. the dow jones industrial average gained more than 36 points to close well above 13,021. the nasdaq rose 20 points to close at 3,012. the united nations general assembly voted today to recognize palestine as a non- member observer state. the tally was 138 to nine, with 41 abstentions. the u.s. voted no. it came after palestinian president mahmoud abbas appealed to the world body to issue the birth certificate of palestine. >> we did not come here seeking to delegitimize a state established years ago, and that is israel. rather, we came to affirm the legitimacy of a state that must now achieve its independence, and this is palestine. >> sreenivasan: palestinians said the vote would strengthen their hand in future peace talks with israel. but the israeli ambassador to the u.n., ron prosor, warned that the palestinians are turning their backs on peace. >> for as long as president abbas prefers symbolism over reality, as long as he prefers to
the fiscal cliff. the president says no deal without raising taxes on the rich. melissa: the nations largest seaport complex at a near standstill for the eighth straight day. drake christopher is going to join us with how this could impact your holiday season. lori: i was just kidding, actually. bacon is kosher. i do not eat kosher. melissa: speaking of kosher -- lori: rubbing elbows with the royals. our next ambassador -- you are speechless. melissa: i do not know about that one. time for stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides is standing by. nicole: right now, we are seeing the dow jones industrial average down just 12 points. so far, we are having a losing week on wall street. let's see what happens at the end of the day. these moves are really fractional. the s&p down a third of a percent. december, traditionally, is the best month for the s&p 500 since 1950. we will see whether or not that seems to come to correlation. i want to take a look at some of the auto retailers. it turns out they are not doing so well with their sales. pat boys, in particular, revenue missing f
the scenes of the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. it seems the framework for a deal actually might be taking shape. if so, what will it look like? david drucker has been nosing around a little bit. the associate politics editor at "roll call." when you hear senators and speaker of the house come out and talk it doesn't sound like they're all that close, david. are you optimistic? >> well i'm sort of on the fence here, jon. whenever you hear members of congress talk about any kind of fiscal cliff deal you have to approach it with a sort of believe everything and believe nothing attitude. i think that everybody wants to avoid having taxes go up for all americans as of january 1st but everybody has a price for that. and it, to me, it's about whether or not both sides are looking for a win-win deal, meaning, my opponent wins and i win. or whether both sides or one of the sides are looking for a deal where only i win and you lose and on top of all of that then we have to look at what do they want to include in any sort of deal? are we going to address entitlement reform? are we going to cut spend
with treasury secretary tim geithner about trying to broker some sort of deal on the fiscal cliff. we will listen to the speaker when he starts talking. connell: scott minored is coming up. john boehner comments he can move the market, scott will be talking about markets and investing from guggenheim chief investment officer, $160 billion, knows his stuff and we will talk about the economic data and again fiscal cliff and everything else, 39 and the dow i hear the winners we're seeing on the s&p today. i'm only in my 60's... i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it helps pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and could save you th
cliff deal. jeff flock live in woodstock, ill. with the details. jeff: we talk so much about the fiscal cliff we have forgotten that a farm bill is not getting done either and not only has it not gotten done but the old farm bill expired. a dairy cooperative in michigan, because we don't have a farm bill, what could happen in the next week to month? we ritter back to the old farm bill of 1949. >> we referred to the permanent law 1949 and january 1st which could mean a double crisis for the consumer and double crisis for the producer. >> of a great thing. the government by law would have to pay terms of the 49 law which would double the price of the milk the cows put out. it is crazy. >> it is. definitely. it is not good for anybody, the consumer or the producer. >> take a look at milk prices, trending down lately if we look at them, corn prices have stayed high. you already had enough trouble down on the farm. you can't get this done also with the senate passing a bipartisan farm bill house has passed a bill, they're not that far apart. >> it seems to be a no-brainer to me. it is a much
a deal done more than me. so he's trying to essentially give some encouragement to get the fiscal cliff deal talks ignited and going. and so this comes on -- the speech is coming on a breaking news day jenna of what you and i were talking about and that is basically citigroup laying off 11,000 workers as the president is now speaking to the business roundtable. those layoffs at the nation's third biggest bank have begun. jenna: let's talk a little bit more about that, liz, that news came into our newsroom a couple of hours ago. you've been working this. learning more about also what is to come for the big bank. why is the bank making such massive job layoffs now and what is really to come in the next year or so? >> reporter: yeah, what we're talking about here is essentially this is citigroup, this i is the bank that got $476 billion in bailout help. it got the most bailout help of any bank. what happened was citigroup was -- its ceo had stepped down a couple months ago, now they have a new ceo by the name of michael corbett, an is working very aggressively to cut out the excess, the mi
fiscal cliff deal through the senate, and also through the house, they say they hope that he's coming with concrete spending cut ideas that are acceptable to the administration. one of the meetings today will be with senate republican leader mitch mcconnell who a short time ago sounded pretty fired up. >> the only reason democrats are insisting on raising rates is because raising rates on the so-called rich is the holy grail of liberalism. their aim is not job he tkraoe asian, they are interested in wealth destruction. not job creation but wealth destruction. >> reporter: a short time ago vice president biden was out and about and he told reporters that he is optimistic about the overall fiscal cliff talks, martha. martha: we'll see. the way they speak publicly there doesn't seem to be a lot of budging on either side. we know there were pretty high profile white house meetings, but those conversations, not happening publicly right now, but are they going on behind closed doors do we think? >> reporter: we know president obama and speaker john boehner had a phone conversation last nigh
'll turn their back on the pledge if it gets a deal done on the fiscal cliff. >> i think a lot of people made the pledge 20 years ago, 50 years ago and i think they realize we're in a very critical time for our country and this issue has to be dealt with. revenues needs to be a part of the component and entitlement reform, true entitlement reform has to be there also in order for us to put this in the rear view mirror. >> that's a big change. so what would the former republican party flag bearer say. >> change can't be measured in speeches. it's measured in results. >> that was mitt romney attacking president obama, but it works for his own party, too. now, let's move on to immigration. romney's deportation stands didn't sit well with a growing number of hispanic voters and now two retiring reporters are pushing their own version of the dream act. it gives children the path to citizenship. >> we're introducing this legislation, which is not dissimilar from what the president has done de facto as a way of righting the situation, but doing it the right way. namely, to change the law. >> ch
the fiscal cliff deal has come to? why 81-year-old former senator alan simpson is going gangnam style to get everyone's attention on debt. >> it has officially jumped the shark. >>> alan st. pierre is the executive director for the national,or for the reform of marijuana laws. oregon senator jeff merkley, heidi ewing, and rachel grady will be joining us. steve satich, ohio congressman, steve latourette, and ambassador nick burns are our guests this morning. it's thursday, december 6th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. our starting point this morning, some major developments to tell you about in egypt, after angry protests against political moves by the president, mohamed morsi, have turned deadly. tanks, armored personnel vehicles, all stationed outside the presidential analysis cairo. not only are they guarding the palace, they're also keeping apart supporters and opponents of morsi. hundreds of his islamist supporters already taking to the streets in cairo this morning. opponents are gathering not very far away. last night the two sides clashed right outside t
lawmakers don't get it together soon. president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts reforms and it included additional revenue. and frankly, it was a balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. >> they have 27 days to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on new year's day. ed henry live at the white house for us. ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehne
of getting the fiscal cliff deal done before everyone's taxes go up. >> consolation lunch? president obama visits mitt romney to the white house today and everyone is buzzing about it. could obama offer him a job? >> congratulations to someone. you just won the gdp of a small nation. not just one but two winning tickets in last night's record powerball drawing. we'll tell you where. >> and if they will be my best friend soon. we have a packed show. john ba, rasso, adam shif, rick warren, tom cole, connie and mary bono mack and steven holcomb. >> we have so many people coming up. it is thursday, november 2. "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning, everyone. our starting point this morning, developments happening now in cairo. the u.s. embassy there is closed. no one is being allowed in or out as we speak. >> embassy officials say protesters are blocking the entrance and clashes are happening near nearby. reza sayah is nearby for us. what's happening? >> reporter: there is no indication protesters are targeting the u.s. em wibassy b it was closed as a precaution. these are protes
cliff but a deal may finally be in reach and senator john barrasso joins us with an update. that is coming up next. >>> plus a sixth straight day of protests against egypan president rsi. we'll tell you how his most powerful opponents are no planning to rein him in. more "money" coming up. ♪ you stl think you're colder than me? nah. don tell me. tell tiny! [ ice crackng ] [ knuckles cracking ] and who are you supposed to be, back-up? ndle it. what you looking at? ha! cat-like reflexes... whoa! [ male announcer ] the coors light silver bullet pint. it's bigger. it's resealable. it's still the colde. don't you do it. don't you do it! [ male announcer ] ost brewed coors light. the world's most refreshing beer! ♪ . melissa: and now, to the fiscal cliff. things seem to take a 180 as news out of the white house indicated progress, made. earlier senator orrin hatch said both sides were about dal billion away from a deal. that sounds like a lot. in washington that is nothing, going over the cliff. we were looking more than 600 dal billion in tax increases and spending cuts. wal
in the fight over the fiscal cliff. a deal has to be hammered out in 26 days or all of us will be dealing with heavy-handed tax hikes and sweeping cuts. the two sides are keeping details of the discussion yesterday under wraps. thil standing their ground on tax hikes for the top 2%. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> once republicans acknowledge that rates are going up for top earners, we believe that an agreement is very achievable. >> kate baldwin is live from washington, d.c. really nice to see you, kate. i know i went into this saying that we're light on details. i'm wondering if you know anything else, are we closer to an agreement. >> i think we're a long way from a deal. although it's one issue they're fighting about. politically they are still very far apart. the two men as you mentioned, the president and speaker boehner did speak for the first time yesterday, the first time in a week which i guess at this point in and of itself is significant because there isn't much talking going on outside of that. but neither side is off
a deal on that fiscal cliff. just 31 days left until we hit those $7 trillion in automatic spending cuts and tax increases if negotiations break down. and both sides of the aisle are going straight to the public in order to plead their case, or rather tell us why the other side is to blame. this is president obama in his weekly radio address. >> both parties say we should keep middle class taxes low. the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. and if we can just get a few house republicans onboard, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. but it's unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the wealthiest americans. >> in the republican response, senator orrin hatch takes th s hostage metaphor one step further and brings to mind a memorable movie scene. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are offering a disastrous thelma and luiz strategy that would take u
agreement on one thing. they are nowhere near a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. peter doocy is life in washington with more. >> republicans have had their proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff complete with 800 billion of new revenue over a decade on the table for more than a day now. it has yet to be publicly embraced by the slightest bit by any prominent democrats. because of that gop lawmakers are saying that means the white house wants to go over the fiscal cliff to make it a point. >> howard dean said it patti murray who ran the senator ideal committee. i think the presidency is a political victory for his party as they go over the cliff. i know republicans are concerned there is going to be a secondary session. >> the white house proposal raises taxes 1.6 trillion over a decade. republicans close loopholes and get rid of deductions. they say the mast won't work. >>> it is still out of balance. it is 800 million worth of revenues. he said he is going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the map it doesn't work. >> the house majority with kevin mccarthy said yeste
. let's get to the fiscal cliff. the president set the deal, over the next decade. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, i think one compromise i agree with the democrats on, we need to cut the military spending. so i think the compromise, the conservatives like myself that think the national defense is important, should compromise on the military spending, and liberals should compromise on the welfare. >> and both sides are going to have to compromise on this, beyond defense spending is there any other compromise that you could see you supporting? >> well, it mostly has to be to me on the spending side. we used to spend about 20% of gdp, we're now spending 25% of gdp. so federal spending has gone up in an alarming rate in the last four years. and when people come to me and say oh, we just have to raise taxes on rich people. one, there is not enough money. and two, you often find when you raise rates you get less revenue. and sometimes you find when you lower rates you get more revenue. >> what do you make of your fellow re
by leaving town before making a deal on the fiscal cliff. what's going on? if you take an aspirin to prevent heart trouble check the labor. our own dr. sanjay gupta tells us what a new study says about the effects of coated tablets. we'll also hear what happened during in flight emergency during one of the world's newest high-tech planes. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in the situation room. >>> with just 27 days to go until all of us are hit with tax increases, takes it across the board a cut of $55 billion. people have it in their power to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff aren't negotiating, they're not debating right now, so many of them simply leaving town. but there's more going on than meets the eye. let's bring in our senior congressional correspondent dana basch, she has the latest. >> reporter: there's so much political theater around here right now, you could say tickets. one of today's acts was the house leaving. lawmakers streaming out of the capitol hill, racing to their cars to get to the airport and go home. it's a scene you usually see on a thursday afternoon or friday morning, not
a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. a huge package of tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in january one. they spent time blaming each other for not getting serious. in his weekly address, president obama says he is ready to make a deal but wouldn't accept continued tax cuts for the wealthiest people. >>> the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. and if we can just get a few house republicans on board, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. but, it is unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the richest americans. >> republicans say tax hikes on the wealthy mean tax hikes for small businesses, something they insist they cannot accept. here is long-time gop senator orin hatch. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are indicating a disastrous thelma and louise idea, that will put us in jeopardy, for small business and other parts of the e
the administration wants to see a deal come together here. >> for what, the fiscal cliff or the fiscal abyss? >> for both. >> for both. >> so that a down payment -- a compromise down payment on approximately $4 trillion. i think when you pull it apart, you have about a trillion dollars in discretionary spending that has mostly been agreed upon and you have taxes and the entitlements, the mandatory. >> the entitlements are the sticking point. whoa. did you see that? you think that's funny? >> set that up for you. >> you think that's funny, mac? you do this? look at this. this is booby trapped, man. it won't stay up. which can really be a problem. you can laugh at that. it's okay. nobody's watching. it's 6:00 a.m. that got you going. >> when you look through, i guess the devil is in the details in terms of what you're looking at in spending, cuts, entitlement cuts and with the tax increases, and you're right, both sides have put a plan on the table. they're pretty far apart, but at least now you know there's some framework for how you get to the middle. what do you think, 1.2 trillion in tax i
spending decreases if you go over the fiscal cliff than if you deal with president obama. >> greta: well, it appears to many in the city that it's politico check mate for the president. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him by a commission he appointed and heted that formula and presented to the republicans a program which was basically just a massive tax increase over and above the massive tax increase that's going to take place with the bush tax cuts expiring, so i don't see where there's -- he hasn't given them room to compromise. maybe if he had put his tax increases on the table and put up expenditure reductions of, you know, one and a
with three simple bullet points. that's the entire proposal to deal with the fiscal cliff and starts out with the sentence that's remarkable, tamron. first sentence is because the election is a status quo, both sides have to compromise. they didn't see what happened. they just dismissed it as a status quo election and this is not just speaker boehner we eric cantor and paul ryan, kevin mccarthy. the entire house republican leadership signed on to the so-called fiscal cliff proposal letter. they're not serious about negotiating. i don't know the right wing and the tea party of who the republican party is nowadays but it's impossible to have a deal with one side refuses to compromise even after losing. they will not accept their own defeat. >> right. >> and that is the problem. >> a.b. let's play what congressman walter jones had to say on this boehner purge. i have the full screen of what he had to say when several members were removed as identified not being team players. he says, i was surprised but i won't sacrifice my integrity for anyone or any party. my integrity is what will get me
left to make a deal before the country hits what's called the fiscal cliff. that's a combination of across the board tax increases for everyone, coupled with cuts in spending like defense, education, health care, and housing assistance. let's go live to our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin with the very latest. jessica? >> reporter: president obama has now personally turned down speaker boehner's opening offer to avert the fiscal cliff. he did it in a tv interview. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff? >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks about $800 billion worth of revenues but says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> reporter: he won't agree to eliminate a tax deduction for contributions to charity. >> every hospital and university and nonfor profit agency across the country would find themselves on the verge of collapse. so that's not a realistic option. >> reporter: but the president didn't say all this to speaker
and we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. he doesn't think a deal gets done. where do you put the odds at this point? >> well, you know, it's a great question. i give it about a 40% chance we could pass something of some magnitude. not a grand plan, but some magnitude. keep in mind again, you know, people call it a fiscal cliff. when you go off a cliff you usually die. my view is there are challenges in front of us. we've had them before. this is pretty significant. but we have a plan in place. no one really likes it, but at the end of the day come january, these things start to happen. the deficit gets a reduction because the tax cuts go away, the budget cuts go into play. the question is are we going to have the wherewithal to give some long-term certainty to the market so they don't have this up and down action of congress. after four years in congress i have to tell you it's one of the most disturbing thing i've seen, the lack of foresite of looking two, three, four, five years down the road. everyone plays to the next week. give it about a 40% chance of some element. the big quest
as lawmakers try to reach a deal to avoid the so called fiscal cliff in january. treasury secretary tim geithner tells cnbc republicans have made a little progress, but the obama administration is "absolutely ready to go over the cliff if the gop doesn't agree to raise tax rates on wealthy americans." apple has lost a bit of its shine. the tech giant stock suffering its worst day in four years on thursday. several factors may have been at play. investors worried apple may be giving up ground in the tablet market to rivals, while nokia beat the company to the punch. there are also unconfirmed reports a stock clearinghouse firm is reducing the margin requirements on apple stock. apple lost $35 billion in market value yesterday. to put that into perspective, there are 417 companies listed on the s&p 500 index that have a market cap below $35 billion, so the jimmer fredet the majority of the s&p is valued at just below what apple lost yesterday. >>> a fairfax county woman will have to remove parts of her negative online review of a home contractor. the ruling was made yesterday. jane perez
out of washington is pretty pessimistic today about getting any kind of deal averting the fiscal cliff. we're hearing from folks on the hill there are no -- there are no private, you know, mat matchinations or talks. it is up about eight points around the 13,000 level. keep in mind the date is december 4th, 2012. if we go off this cliff, how much do you think the dow will lose. conman price, can you slap a number on that? >> no, no way to do that. what i do know -- >> how worried are folks on wall street? >> well, i think they're very worried. when i talked to folks out there trying to create jobs and find some certainty in the market so they can expand their businesses and create jobs, what they say is that all of this uncertainty hurts and so that's why we're so -- i'm confounded by an administration and president who seemingly isn't interested in providing that certainty. that's what we need to work on. that's what the negotiation process ought to be bringing us. certainty in the tax code, certainty in regulatory policy, all the kinds of things that are harming job creation right no
of conversations about the fiscal cliff. tonight we hear from economist paul krugman. >> i don't think there's going to be much of a deal. i think there's going to be a kind of... there will be an outcome. >> woodruff: from haiti, fred de sam lazaro reports on the efforts to stem a deadly cholera epidemic that began after the 2010 earthquake. >> ifill: and ray suarez talks to author and journalist tom ricks about what he describes as the decline of american military leadership. >> today nobody gets credit for anything and mediocrity is accepted as a core value in the performance of generals. >> ifill: that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us. >> and by the bill and melinda gates foundation. dedicated to the idea that all people deserve the chance to live a healthy, productive life. and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station
. >> trying to get two sides come together to come to a deal on the fiscal cliff. >> i don't know about young people's abilities to force cats and dogs and democrats and republicans to come together to find a deal. he had a much more profound message than just simply dancing in that clip, in that psa essentially. he was trying to alert young people to the fact that old people, bluntly, are organized. look at the army of aarp representatives that ensure that programs like medicare and social security, programs that take up something like 50% of our federal budget will remain intact and won't be subjected to the necessary reform to last for young people to ever reach them. the problem is that young people don't think life goes on after the age of 30. if you're on twitter and facebook, that's a long way away. why are you worried about entitlements? >> the funny thing is that president obama is using social media to do the exact same thing. for example, he will visit a virginia middle class family today. they were part of his twitter verse. that's why he chose them. he must think that talking to
. fiscal cliff, beyond the fiscal cliff. let me get to this steve. this is about including the debt ceiling. and what the president said about that in this negotiation today. >> we are not going to play that game next year. >> if congress in any way suggests they will tie negotiation to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year. i will not play that game. because we have to break that habit before it starts. >> bret: what about that? >> well, the president had as many red lines for iran as for house republicans. i think what kirsten said is absolutely remarkable. it is about the scalp. it's about the president having made a campaign argument for the better part of 2012. so that he could run a class warfare campaign. now having to make good on that with the base of his party. the u.s. economy be damned. the republicans offered to give so much and offering precisely what erskine bowles laid out as a compromise position in the proposal they made the other day. you
, but they are expected to discuss strategies for dealing with the fiscal cliff. tim ' ner, the chief fiscal cliff negotiator meets today with congressional leaders to get the negotiations moving. >>> while you were sleeping lindsay lohan was arrested -- again. the new york city police department took her in after a fight at a club here in the city. officers say there is a possibility lohan hit a woman. they didn't confirm if she's being charged with anything at this point. >> lindsay lohan, club, 4:00 a.m., new york, bad combination. >>> anything can happen on the streets of new york city including a pony and a zebra running free on staten island. they escaped from the pen in the yard where they live but they were returned to the owner. >> is the zebra chasing the pony? >> looks like it. >>. >>> the new york times reporting on an officer who's a hero. he's kneeling down to put a new pair of boots on a homeless man. the 25-year-old officer purchased them at a nearby shoe store after noticing that the man was barefoot and was blistering. a woman from arizona snapped this photo with her cell phone c
the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four points above fair value. the s&p 500 at the moment is around about four points above fair value. european stocks are up half a percent earlier. we have come off those highs. eurozone pmis a little bit better than expected. but still deeply in contraction territory. uk services pmis dipped weaker than expected. the ftse up a quarter a percent. the ibex up around .2. also dragged down by disappointing retail sales. that's where we stand right now ahead of the u.s. open. what are investors to
and knowing they will be blamed if we go over that fiscal cliff. that's ahead. and you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> back to "hardball." let's take making a deal here. for all those at home who want to see republicans and democrats work together to avoid the fiscal cliff, we can bring you two lawmakers who are open to cutting a deal before the end of the year. with me are members from both sides of the aisle, u.s. congressman lee terry, a republican from nebraska, and u.s. congressman jerry connolly, a democrat from nearby southern virginia. but first, i want to start with you. you told the "omaha world herald" this about republicans, we're screwed either way. we have no leverage in these discussions. congressman, what did you mean by that? >> what i mean by that is that the president wants us to take a tax vote before he's willing to talk about anything else cutting or reforming, and republicans just aren't going to do that. so what he's doing is setting us up to be the fall people for going over the fiscal cliff. frankly, going over the fiscal cliff is a win for the p
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it seriously. you have to get a sense that both sides understand the serious nature of this fiscal cliff and they do want a deal to get done. so they are looking for ways to find some kind of agreement. they are looking at outside groups today as well. the president will meet with half a dozen governors, arkansas, minnesota, utah, wisconsin, republican governor from wisconsin scott walker, a critic of this president. he will be meeting with them. those governorses are meeting with senate majority leader harry reid, house speaker john boehner. the reason they're here and want their voices heard if, indeed, this worst-case scenario happens, this fiscal cliff as we've been calling it, it will impact their state's economies. according to the ppew report, these states rely on federal money. things like education would be impacted. they're here to put pressure not only on the president but lawmakers up on the hill to get this deal done. >> takes place in about an hour. dan loathian, reporting from th white house. >>> nearly 15 million households rely on food stamps. republicans say it's far to
off the fiscal cliff. >> we're facing a fiscal grand canyon. >> okay. so it's a big deal. question is can these guys strike a deal? >> i've got to repeat. i've got a pen. >> meantime, damage control for u.n. ambassador susan rice out to smooth things over with this week with republicans after those benghazi talking point. >> exextremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. >> it didn't work. now their talking points. >> we are significantly troubled. >> i want to say that i'm more troubled today. >> democrats shot back. >> they are not only blaming her for this intelligence report, they are trying to blame her for the actual tragic event. >> i've seen so much crazy stuff in this house could i write a book. >> or make an internet video. >> not be a true god-fearing person and be on a television show like that. >> that's actor angus t. jones, the "two and a half men" star caught slamming his own tv show. >> if you watch "two and a half men," please don't watch "two and a half men." i'm on "two and a half men," and i don't want to be on it. >> he apologized, but still
pulling off their own plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. connell: the white house predictably saying, no deal. the parameters are there now. we can start to imagine what a deal may look like. >> i think that is right. they have been adamant in saying we want more revenue. they have kept the rates down. they have had spending cuts. i think they will find a deal just over a trillion in revenue. dagen: it is a turnaround for the republicans to say that we will raise revenue. how they get to it is very different from anything we have heard from president obama. >> i think that the president and the democrats are dug in. they want to raise the marginal tax rates for the upper earners of america. they are willing to allow a deal to lapse rather than have the tax rate rise. connell: maybe there is not a deal taking shape. they could say something like, we will raise these rates, but instead of $250,000, it has to be $500,000 or $1 million. there are ways to play a round with this. >> i think the republicans would lose, frankly, being the majority in the house. if they go ahead and give the
of about 9% across defense and all domestic spending. that is the fiscal cliff. we shouldn't be dealing with other issues that are long term in order to avert the cliff as it were. that is immediate crisis. we have long term situation --. bill: but you know when lawmakers get a little bit of rope, you know, when they get time to think about it and push it off to the next year, it never gets done. this budget proposal, there are many who wonder whether or not even democrats could support it. the last budget that came from the white house went to the senate, it went 98-0 against it. no one voted for it. melissa: well, that was kind of a tricky parliamentary issue as well but, i do take issue with one thing, the idea we haven't dealt with entightments. we had two years, a year and a half we debated medicare. we made significant changes in medicare. we just had a campaign which republicans including governor romney time after time after time charged that we had cut $616 billion in spending out of medicare and we reformed the program. we have looking toward new ways to compensate providers.
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